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Ninth Generation

272 King Pepin I Of Italy , King Of Italy.91,163  Born in Apr 0773.91 Died on 8 Jul 0810; he was 37.91 Acceded: 781to Italy.  King Of The Langobardians.3

Stevens/Southworth Data base states:
"Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".

Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (50:14).

Pepin's father, CHARLEMAGNE, conquered Italy and removed the last of
the Lombard kings in 774. He had Pepin crown as king of Italy in 781,
when he was four years old. The administration of the kingdom was by
various guardians appointed by CHARLEMAGNE. Armies under Pepin's
authority annihilited the Avars in 796 and took Chieti from Benevento in
801. Pepin died in 810, four years before his father. His son, Bernard
succeeded him as king of Italy.

E. Hlawitschka, _Rheinische Vierteljahrblatter_, (1974), p. 128,
as the daughter of this Pepin, but such is not universally accepted. "14

King Pepin I  Of Italy married Bertha Of Toulouse91.3

273 Bertha Of Toulouse (unproven mother) .91 Born ca 0777.91 This is the mom as per ES; Settipanni feels differently, does not accept this parentage, and names the mother here Chrothais, a name with obvious Frankish influence.

Stevens/Southworth Data Base does not show Bertha of Toulouse, but instead Rothais,of whom it says:
"Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (50:14) says she was "apparently a dau. of
DUKE BERNARD, yr. bro. of PEPIN THE SHORT." She was not PEPIN's wife,
making their son, BERNARD, KING OF ITALY illigitimate.

Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens" gives her name as Chrothais,
and does not accept this parentage."14

274 Heribert.164  died aft 0930.14

Source states " Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens". Nathaniel Taylor, "Saint William, King David, and Makhir: A Controversial
Medieval Descent", _The American Genealogist_ July/October 1997, p.220 says:
. "HERIBERT, blinded in 830 but still alive when DHUODA wrote her manual in the 840s, is considered by Settiapni (_La prehistoire des
Capetiens, p.213-220) as possible father of CUNIGONDE, wife of Bernard, king of Italy, thus bring the name "Heribert" into the Carolingian/ Vermandois family.... However, the onomastic argument in favor of this series of links is tentative at best." "14

284 Lisiard De Fezensac.165

286 Hugh II Count of Tours**.166,167,168 Died in 836/839.14 Description: Count of Alsace & Tours. Also referred to as Count of Orleans.169 Alias/AKA: Hugh of Tours, Count of Tours.

Stevens/Southworth Data Base states: "Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (48:17), (140:15), (141B:15), (181:5), calls
him Count of Alsace & Tours.
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (300:40) calls him "le Mefiant", Count of Tours.
Also referred to as Count of Orleans. "

287 Bava.170

"Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (48:17), (181:5). "14

352 Tertulle . Occupation: Seneschal of the Gastinais. Called The Breton.14 Alias/AKA: "the Breton.".14

Stevens/Southworth Data Base :
"Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners," (167:39): Seneschal of the Gastinais.
Called "the Breton." "14

353 Petronille.

Stevens/Southworth Data Base :
"Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners," (167:39). Does not give parents.
A source I do not recall calls her father Conrad, Count of Paris. "14

372 Robert The Strong [Of Neustria, Duke Of Neustria].171,172 Died in 0866.3 Occupation: Count of Paris.3  Robert The Strong Of Neustria, Duke Of Neustria.173

376 Thierry II Count of Chalon.14 Died in 0880.14

Stevens/Southwork Data Base

Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners" (258:39), calls him Count of Chaunois.
Helped to negotiate the Treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle.
"Alan B. Wilson" posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on 17 May (in part):
Subject: Re: Burgundy - One more try to sum up *
" According to Schwennicke (ed.), Europaische Stammtafeln, ii, 189
[rev. in iii(1)], Manasses, the father of Giselbert, Duke of Burgundy, was
son of (not husband of) an unknown daughter of Budwine, Count of Metz.
Moriarty in Plantagenet Ancestry, pp. 255 and 257 mentions very
speculatively that it has been suggested that Manasses was the son of
Thierry II, Count in the Chaunois.
Stuart in Royalty for Commoners, line 258, seems to have put these
two together and married Thierry II to the unnamed daughter of Budwine.
This couple is given as the parents of Manasses."
Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens", however, shows the marriage between
the Hieronymids and Nibelungen one generation earlier, i.e. that Thierry I
married a sister of Budwine, rather than Thierry II marrying a dau. of Budwine. "14

378 King Boso/Boson I Of Provence King Of Provence [AKA King of Burgundy].174,175,176  King Boso/Boson I ** Of Provence died on 11 Jan 0887.177,178 Occupation: Acceded: 879//Count of Vienne,king of Provence(TransjuranianBurgundy ).179,180  Alias/AKA: Boso of Provence, K of Provence//Boso king of Burgundy.181,182

Post in SGM from Peter Stewart: "Engelberga of Vienne (born ca 877, died as a nun in Italy after 918), daughter of Boson, count of Vienne, king of Provence (Transjuranian Burgundy) & Ermengarde of Francia. "183

Stevens/Southworth Data Base states:

Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".

Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (141B:17).

Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (343:39), citing ES I:57, Calls him
Boso II, Count of Vienne, King of Lower Burgundy.

Boso was Count of Vienne and governor of Burgundy under the
Carolingians. His wife, ERMENGARDE, felt that as she was the daughter
of an emporer, she ought to be married to more than a mere count. Also,
she considered herself as soverign of both Italy and Burgundy in her own
right. She persuaded Pope John VIII to crown Boso king of Provence.
The years following the death of his father-in-law, KING LOUIS II of
Italy without a male heir were a period of civil war between several
rival claimants to the throne. From 875 to 877, CHARLES THE BALD, King
of France (RIN 1620), was nominally also King of Italy. Boso was his
main representative. Boso was an unsuccessful claimant in 879. "14

King Boso/Boson I ** Of Provence married Unknown 1st Wife**.

379 Unknown 1st Wife.

Tenth Generation

544 Charlemagne , Emperor Of The West, King Of Franks And Lombards.184,3,91,185,117 Born on 2 Apr 0742 in Ingolheim.3 Died in Aix-La-Chapelle (Aachen) on 28 Jan 0814; he was 71.3,91 Buried in Aachen Cathedral, Aachen, Rhineland, Westphalia, Germany.186 Acceded:768.  King Of The Franks From AD 768 To 814. In 800 he was crowned by Pope Leo III as Charlemagne Roman emperor, , probably more as a personal title than as reference to territorial rule. Religion: Christian. AKA: Charles The Great, Charles I. At the height of his power, the French empire extended over what we now call France, Germany, Switzerland, Holland, Belgium, and a great part of Italy.

"Charlemagne's greatest achievement is the Carolingian Renaissance, a revival of European political cultural life that arose during the later Middle Ages. During this time, Charlemagne encouraged education by reintroducing Latin and having books and manuscripts copied. At this time, a new type of writing, known as Carolingian minuscule, came into use. The present-day use of capital and lower-case letters, punctuation and word spaces dates from the Carolingian era. Under Charlemagne, European commerce was revitalized through the construction of new roads and bridges, and through standardized weights and measures, tolls and customs dues. * By inheritance and extensive campaigns of conquest he united most of W Europe by 804 when, after 30 years of war, the Saxons came under his control. He reformed the legal, judicial and military systems; established schools; promoted Christianity, commerce, agriculture, arts and literature. In his capital, Aachen, scholars gathered from all over Europe. The sumpremacy of the Frankish king in Europe found outward expresssion in the bestowal of the imperial title: in Rome, during mass on Christmas Day 800, Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne emperor. He enjoyed diplomatic relations with Byzantium, Baghdad, Mercia, Northumbria, and other regions. Jury courts were introduced. He persuaded the Northumbrian scholar Alcuin to enter his service in 781. Although he never learned to read, he collected the old heroic sagas, began a Frankish grammar, and promoted religious instruction in the vernacular. After his death a cycle of heroic legends and romances deveoped around him, including epics by Ariosto, Boiardo, and Tasso."187

"The Holy Roman Empire was a successor state to the empire founded in 800 by Charlemagne (see also Carolingians), who revived the title of Roman emperor in the West. According to Carolingian theory, the Roman Empire had merely been suspended, not ended, by the abdication of the last Roman emperor in 476. In 800, Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne Roman emperor, probably perceived more as a personal title than as a reference to a particular territorial rule. From the death of Arnulf (899), the last Carolingian to hold the imperial title, until Otto's coronation in Rome by Pope John XII, various rulers bore the imperial title but exercised no authority; among them were Louis III, king of Provence, and Berengar I, king of Italy." 188

There is a wealth of documents at Internet Midieval Source book  which includes MANY documents written by Charlemagne, which give good examples of what you had to bring with you when summoned for war, and what you might expect of the trip, his letters encouraging the education of his people, his wars, his currency, problems in the empire , etc. This site gives you the sources themselves. Particularly interesting are the harsh laws shown in the Capitulary for Saxony 775-790, which in large part are laws about observing Christianity and include punishment of death for eating meat during lent, or by work of the devil mistakenly burning someone up thinking them a witch when they aren't (that might make you think twice about burning up your cranky neighbor) or if you eat other people's flesh or give it to someone else for supper (wasn't this a GOOD time for the empire...a time of abundance?) ...Gives a REALLY interesting account of just what was going on in the Empire.  See link
The same source also provided this interesting document, showing what, exactly was inventoried at one of Charlemagne's estates in 800.

We found in the imperial estate of Asnapium a royal house built of stone in the very best manner, having three rooms. The entire house was surrounded with balconies and it had eleven apartments for women. Underneath was one cellar. There were two porticoes. There were 17 other houses built of wood within the court-yard, with a similar number of rooms and other fixtures, all well constructed. There was 1 stable, 1 kitchen, 1 mill, 1 granary, and 3 barns. The yard was enclosed with a hedge and a stone gateway, and above was a balcony from which distributions can be made. There was also an inner yard, surrounded by a hedge, well arranged, and planted with various kinds of trees.
Of vestments: coverings for 1 bed, 1 table-cloth, and 1 towel.
Of utensils: 2 brass kettles; 2 drinking cups; 2 brass cauldrons; 1 iron cauldron; 1 frying-pan; 1 gramalmin; 1 pair of andirons; 1 lamp; 2 hatchets; 1 chisel; 2 augers; 1 axe; 1 knife; 1 large plane; 1 small plane; 2 scythes; 2 sickles; 2 spades edged with iron; and a sufficient supply of utensils of wood.
Of farm produce: old spelt from last year, 90 baskets which can be made into 450 weight of flour; and 100 measures of barley. From the present year, 110 baskets of spelt, of which 60 baskets had been planted, but the rest we found; 100 measures of wheat, 60 sown, the rest we found; 98 measures of rye all sown; 1,800 measures of barley, 1,100 sown, the rest we found; 430 measures of oats; 1 measure of beans; 12 measures of peas. At 5 mills were found 800 measures of small size. At 4 breweries, 650 measures of small size, 240 given to the prebendaries, the rest we found. At 2 bridges, 60 measures of salt and 2 shillings. At 4 gardens, 11 shillings. Also honey, 3 measures; about 1 measure of butter; lard, from last year 10 sides; new sides, 200, with fragments and fats; cheese from the present year, 43 weights.
Of cattle: 51 head of larger cattle; 5 three-year olds; 7 two-year olds; 7 yearlings; 10 two-year old colts; 8 yearlings; 3 stallions; 16 cows; 2 asses; 50 cows with calves; 20 young bulls; 38 yearling calves; 3 bulls; 260 hogs; 100 pigs; 5 boars; 150 sheep with lambs; 200 yearling lambs; 120 rams; 30 goats with kids; 30 yearling kids; 3 male goats; 30 geese; 80 chickens; 22 peacocks.
Also concerning the manors which belong to the above mansion. In the villa of Grisio we found domain buildings, where there are 3 barns and a yard enclosed by a hedge. There were, besides, 1 garden with trees, 10 geese, 8 ducks, 30 chickens. In another villa we found domain buildings and a yard surrounded by a hedge, and within 3 barns; 1 arpent of vines; 1 garden with trees; 15 geese; 20 chickens. In a third villa, domain buildings, with 2 barns; 1 granary; 1 garden and 1 yard well enclosed by a hedge.
We found all the dry and liquid measures just as in the palace. We did not find any goldsmiths, silversmiths, blacksmiths, huntsmen, or persons engaged in other services. The garden herbs which we found were lily, putchuck, mint, parsley, rue, celery, libesticum, sage, savory, juniper, leeks, garlic, tansy, wild mint, coriander, scullions, onions, cabbage, kohlrabi, betony. Trees: pears, apples, medlars, peaches, filberts, walnuts, mulberries, quinces.
From: Frederic Austin Ogg, ed., A Source Book of Mediaeval History: Documents Illustrative of European Life and Institutions from the German Invasions to the Renaissance, (New York, 1907, reprinted by Cooper Square Publishers (New York), 1972), pp. 127-129.
Scanned by Jerome S. Arkenberg, Cal. State Fullerton. The text has been modernized by Prof. Arkenberg.189

New Note: The Legend of Charlegmagne on line-illustrated

Charlemagne married (7713)  HildegardeOf Vinzgau3,91,117,14, in Aix-La-Chapelle (Aachen).3 This is only one of many women associated with him. Charlemagne had many children.
545 Hildegarde Of Vinzgau.3,91,117,14 Born in 0758.3,91 Died on 30 Apr 07833,91
Only her parents are secure; her pedigree beyond them is in debate.

"known daughter of count Gerold by his wife Imma sister of Ruadpert and daughter of Nebi/Hnabi....
The claim that Hildegard has a descent from the Merovingians through the
Agilolfings seems very weak. The claim that Hildegard descended from duke
Gotfrid is weak. It is almost certain that Regintrud was not a daughter
of a Merovingian king but the daughter of Hugobert count of the palace and
his wife Irmina of Oehren. It is also likely that she was not the wife of
Theodo II but of his son Theodebert. The best chance for an Agilolfing
descent rests on Alda/Aldana being the daughter of Charles Martel by the
Agilolfing, Swanahild. For reasons recent postings to this group that chance
is slim (following Hlawitschka I am agnostic on this filiation for
Alda/Aldana). One should also note that K F Werner ([10] pp.161-166) thinks
that an Agilolfing connection for Hildegard comes through her father,
Gerold, but his argument has to do with name groups and not with precise

548 William I, Duke Of Toulouse.191,192 Born abt 0765.14 Died in Gellone on 28 May 0812/0806; he was 47.193,194 He Founded the Monastry of Gellone.3 AKA:  William of Toulouse, Count of Toulouse.192

Source (Southwark Data Base) States: "ES III:731. Per Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (329:40), he was Count of Toulouse
& Margrave of Septamania (Narbonne). On 15 Dec 1997, Todd Farmerie posted the ancestry of TERESA ALFONSO (RIN 2401) based on the latest research. This generation is confirmed in that posting."14

549 Cunigunde.195

"Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".
ES III:731. "14

568 Bego (Begue (Bogo), Count Of Paris.3,196,142 Died in 0816.14 Occupation: Chamberlain Of Louis Of Aquitaine 776.14

" Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (191:14) : "Begue (Bogo), Count of Paris, Chamberlain of Louis of Aquitaine 776". "14

569 Alpaid (Alpais) (Dtr or Grddtr Charlemagne).3,197,198 Born ca 0794. Died aft 0852.. Description: DUAL ASCENDANCY ROOT PERSON, 2 possibilities: A) King Louis I The Pious Of Aquitaine, son of Charlemagne or . B) Charlemagne and Himiltrude. AKA: Alpais/Aupais .199,200

Alpaid/Alpais shows with uncertain ascendancy, sometimes a daughter of Charlemagne, sometimes his grandaughter via Louis the Pious. If she was Charlemagne's daughter, she was illegitimate. According to Settipani she is the daughter of Charlemagne via Hiltrude/Himiltrud (Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens" identifies her mother as Hiltrude . "14) .
In discussion over the confusion, Stevens, in his webpages writes : "Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (191:14) says she was BEGUE's 2nd wife. and a natural daughter of CHARLEMAGNE. Weis notes that Brandenburg shows her as the daughter of LOUIS I , who was, if Weis is correct, actually her half brother. "14
DUAL ASCENDANCY based on the above, but within the same family group.

756 Buwin Of Autun [Count Bivin].201,202 Died in 0863.14 Occupation: Lay Abbott Of Gorze.3 Alias/AKA: Count Bivin.

"Settipani, pp. 388ff. Settipani conjectures that Bivin (Buwin) was a descendant in the direct male line of Hieronymus, son of Charles Martel, but none of the intervening generations is proven."203

Stevens/southwork Data Base:
Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens".
Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (49:16).
Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners (206:39) calls him Budwine, Count of
Italy & Metz, Lay Abbot of Gorze.
Stewart Baldwin posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on 1 Nov 1996 (in part):
Subject: Re: SAVOY
"See Settipani, pp. 388ff. Settipani conjectures that Bivin was a
descendant in the direct male line of Hieronymus, son of Charles Martel,
but none of the intervening generations is proven."
Stewart Baldwin posted to
soc.genealogy.medieval on 10 Nov 1996 (in part):
Subject: Re: Will the real Boso please stand up (was Re: SAVOY)
"That King Boso was the son of count Bivin [or Budwine] is proven by the
contemporary "Annals Bertiniani" ("Annals of St. Bertin" in English),
under the year 869, where Boso is explicitly called a son of Bivin.
Boso's maternal grandfather was another Boso, an Italian count. It
was this Italian Boso who was the father-in-law of Lothar II and
Bivin." . . .
"The confusion that has led some to make Theodoric [Thierry I "the
Treasurer" (RIN 1240)] the father of Boso [King of Provence (RIN 2137)]
is briefly discussed by Settipani. Here is the short version. Theodoric
did have a son named Richard [RIN 3473], who has been erroneously
identified by some with duke Richard of Burgundy (King Boso's brother)
[i.e. RICHARD THE JUSTICIAR (RIN 1238)], and this erroneous
identification has led to Boso being incorrectly called the son of
Theodoric." "14

757 Richilda of Arles {?} (Uncertain Mother) 204 Description: Sometimes Named Richelda of Arles  , dtr of Boso (C in Italy} died AFT 829;  Alias/AKA: Unnamed wife.205

Stevens Southwork Data Base
Settipani's "La prehistoire des Capetiens". Does not give a name.
Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners (206:39) & (112:40).
My source for Richilda as Theodoric's wife is the genealogical chart on p.281 of Christopher Cope's "The Lost Kingdom of Burgundy". "14


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